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average. >> using the -- many of the other programs are moving in to use the acs. you could check in a cpdg, how they are splicing it in. >> may be a very simple question. i am not a social scientist. but on taxpayer equity, i am confused by the title. your slides are helpful in explaining how they work but i am a little turned around by the juxtaposition of taxpayer and equity because it seems light -- we are just reading about, confused by the fact that states that have not had higher levels of state level funds and older americans act programs and services will then get fewer federal dollars -- wondering if any thinking was going into the fact that act -- the act was to leverage additional dollars. state and localities were encouraged to continue to contribute so it was not reliant just upon federal government -- dollars. not grasping not so much what you did the why you title the that? >> anyone when to jump in? >> taxpayer equity is one of the generally accepted equity standards. we did not create the title. it is kind of the term for the standard. essentially
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do a don king thing for us here. where -- like we don't have that map with the counties, but -- >> i got a spread sheet. >> good. everybody nationally has been talking about this in a very undifferentiated way talking about states, the image of big numbers. i think it's not quite like that; right? it's a significant phenomena, still talking about small numbers and relatively contained so, i mean, just setting it up for folks, i mean, we know that in some of the swing states, latino votes didn't matter, didn't make the margin at all, ohio, virginia, new hampshire, latinos had nothing to do with it. in new mexico, colorado, florida, could have made the difference. what was involvedded in that? don king, what can you tell us? >> all right. well, i think people already spoke about the importance of disag at a timing -- cult it a lot of different ways. one of -- in trying to understand what happened november, one, a still thought in my mind is trying to understand how latino voters in different part of the country functio
do a don king thing for us here. where -- like we don't have that map with the counties, but -- >> i got a spread sheet. >> good. everybody nationally has been talking about this in a very undifferentiated way talking about states, the image of big numbers. i think it's not quite like that; right? it's a significant phenomena, still talking about small numbers and relatively contained so, i mean, just setting it up for folks, i mean, we know that in some of the swing states, latino...
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also, send us a tweet or a facebook post, or send us an e- mail. here's what the president said yesterday in michigan. [video clip] >> these right to work law don't have to do with economics. they have everything to do with politics. what they are really talking about is giving you the right to work for less money. [cheers and applause] you only have to look to michigan, where workers were instrumental in reviving the auto industry and to see how unions have helped to build not just a straw upper-middle-class but a stronger america -- stronger middle-class but a stronger america. people and should be focused on the same pink. they should be working to make sure companies like this manufacturer is able to make more great products. that's what they should be focused on. host: distorts free press, courtesy of the newseum in washington, as this headline -- some schools are closed in the state so teachers can also protests that block today. here is the detroit news. there headline -- michigan pro-union people are protesting this law. the republican-led
also, send us a tweet or a facebook post, or send us an e- mail. here's what the president said yesterday in michigan. [video clip] >> these right to work law don't have to do with economics. they have everything to do with politics. what they are really talking about is giving you the right to work for less money. [cheers and applause] you only have to look to michigan, where workers were instrumental in reviving the auto industry and to see how unions have helped to build not just a...
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there is reason for us to be cautious about that. there has to be a way through this. maybe it will take the market starting to send a signal and people taking actions in anticipation of this raising of the taxes. do you know an economist that doesn't believe we will not go into a recession. >>neil: the markets do not lately seem to be too worried. do you think no deal is better than a bad deal? >>guest: the only thing we can do is to make a deal. i think the american people deserve it. if we don't get it, i really worry about the country. i do worry. i am in discussions with people about this nuclear option. i am in discussions with people about the immigration reform issue. we could have discussions about this. i don't think the democrats want this to go over the cliff. not the majority of them. i pray not. >>neil: one seems to be tempting the other. >>guest: it is a game of chicken. i don't believe it will happen. i don't think anyone wants it to happen. and sequestration is looming as of january 1. in the words of chairman mao it is darkest before it and death -- b
there is reason for us to be cautious about that. there has to be a way through this. maybe it will take the market starting to send a signal and people taking actions in anticipation of this raising of the taxes. do you know an economist that doesn't believe we will not go into a recession. >>neil: the markets do not lately seem to be too worried. do you think no deal is better than a bad deal? >>guest: the only thing we can do is to make a deal. i think the american people deserve...
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them against us or our allies? >> first of all, we have to underrtand that egypt shouldn't be too-big-to-fail and that american weaponry and american taxpayers assistance shouldn't be entitlement to fundamentally increasingly ostile reg emgood. that said, i think we should slow roll it. i'm less sanguine than judy about the egyptian military. most americans know our generals as warfighters. most egyptians don't really know their generals for their heroics in the battlefield. the egyptians never won a war. they know their generals as businessmen first and foremost. what i see the egyptian military doing right now seeing which side, either mohammed morsi or people on the street will cut them a better deal because i'm not so sure that the egyptian's military interest is anything other than their bank account. melissa: judy, what is the best play here? >> i understand what michael is saying and i agree to a certain extent. we have people already in the streets killing one another in the world's largest arab country wit
them against us or our allies? >> first of all, we have to underrtand that egypt shouldn't be too-big-to-fail and that american weaponry and american taxpayers assistance shouldn't be entitlement to fundamentally increasingly ostile reg emgood. that said, i think we should slow roll it. i'm less sanguine than judy about the egyptian military. most americans know our generals as warfighters. most egyptians don't really know their generals for their heroics in the battlefield. the egyptians...
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the clinton presidency also brought us don't ask, don't tell, which is no longer with us, and the defense of marriage act which the obama administration now refuses to defend in court. and so as soon as president clinton was out of office, the tax code he had rewritten to be more progressive was immediately rewritten by this guy to be less progressive. when george w. bush rewrote the clinton tax rates to be friendlier to the rich, some democrat in the house and in the senate voted for the new tax rates. there was no lasting clintonian to hold against the bush tax cuts. some democrats voted for the bush tax rates. so nothing of reaganism, whatever that was, lived after the reagan presidency and nothing of clintonism lived after the clinton's presidency. what, then, of gingrichism, newt gingrich was in congress during all three of the presidencies we've considered here. reagan, the first bush, and clinton. during the republican years when republicans started drifting towards agreements to raise taxes, newt gingrich attacked those republicans. he wasn't willing to take on president reagan he
the clinton presidency also brought us don't ask, don't tell, which is no longer with us, and the defense of marriage act which the obama administration now refuses to defend in court. and so as soon as president clinton was out of office, the tax code he had rewritten to be more progressive was immediately rewritten by this guy to be less progressive. when george w. bush rewrote the clinton tax rates to be friendlier to the rich, some democrat in the house and in the senate voted for the new...
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thanks for joining us. gregg: law enforcement is on standby to make sure what you're seeing there does not get out of hand in lansing, michigan as the legislature is about to pass a right to work law which the governor has vowed to sign and the union folks are down right angry about it. mike tobin is there with the protesters. we'll have a live report in just a moment. [shouting] eat good fats. avoid bad. don't go over 2000... 1200 calories a day. carbs are bad. carbs are good. the story keeps changing. so i'm not listening... to anyone but myself. i know better nutrition when i see it: great grains. great grains cereal starts whole and stays whole. see the seam? more processed flakes look nothing like naturalrains. you can't argue with nutrition you can see. great grains. search great grains and see for yourself. for multi grain flakes tt are anxcellent source of fiber try great grains banana nut crunch and cranberry almond crunch. music: "make someone happy" music: "make someone happy" ♪it's so importan
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our producer rachel currency us. well still ahead here on our talk about throwing privacy under the bus homeland security is helping cities across the country install recording devices on public transit all to record your roadside chatter well tell you why is the word next. oh so there's a disconnect what's officially reported what actually happened we can accept is something to do a little. well it's like surveillance these days just keeps getting more it advanced we are learning government officials are installing high tech audio surveillance systems to buses across the country take a look according to the daily these are the high definition cameras as well as sophisticated audio surveillance systems being installed on public transit each of each bus has six of them so far officials have approved nearly five point nine million dollars in contracts to install the devices on over three hundred fifty buses and trollies and san francisco they're part of homeland security is funding the program baltimore and concord nor
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i used to use a fork. >> get the fork out of here. >> i own your shake down. your shake down is for ketchup, mayonnaise, peanut butter in just eight seconds! >> that cookbook won't stay open, takes up counter space and a mess. introdu introducing the way to keep the recipe with you. >> good morning. it's tuesday, december 11th. welcome to "morning joe." you like that, barnicle? >> i do. >> all right. wake up now. with us on set we have msnbc contributor, mick barnicle, former treasury official and "morning joe" economic analyst. steve brattner. >> he came with charts. willie, do you have a chart? >> no. >> he's disturbed. i don't know if you heard this. has he done this to you? >> we have two obesity stories we have to get to. we're not going to break. >> stalling right now. >> the filibuster reform should be passed but not passed yet. our executive producer, alex, comes up to me this morning. like the syndrome, you stay here long enough start walking with a strut. alex corson, hey, call me acc 47. >> he's getting bold. >> yes! >> is that like a phil cavens th
i used to use a fork. >> get the fork out of here. >> i own your shake down. your shake down is for ketchup, mayonnaise, peanut butter in just eight seconds! >> that cookbook won't stay open, takes up counter space and a mess. introdu introducing the way to keep the recipe with you. >> good morning. it's tuesday, december 11th. welcome to "morning joe." you like that, barnicle? >> i do. >> all right. wake up now. with us on set we have msnbc...
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and that god has a plan for all of us. as i begin the next chapter of my life with my wife of 26 years, eileen, and our three boys, brian, kevin and eric, i want to take this great experience, the knowledge, the memories from here in congress with me in the future. and i always will remember the advice my father gave to me when i first ran for my first office nearly 25 years ago, local precinct, county central committee, that is always do the right thing. to new members who are here, i encourage you to continue to do the right thing. to members of the ohio delegation, never forget our men and women who are serving in our military and the veterans, and the sacrifices they are make and continue to make for our country and for our freedom. may god bless this great country, it's been a privethroge serve you in congress, thank you and for the last time, i yield back the balance of my time. thank you. mr. tiberi: thank you, steve austin rey, it's been a pleasure working with you. i got to know steve when he came to the ohio legi
and that god has a plan for all of us. as i begin the next chapter of my life with my wife of 26 years, eileen, and our three boys, brian, kevin and eric, i want to take this great experience, the knowledge, the memories from here in congress with me in the future. and i always will remember the advice my father gave to me when i first ran for my first office nearly 25 years ago, local precinct, county central committee, that is always do the right thing. to new members who are here, i...
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thanks for joining us. >>> good evening, everyone. we begin as we do everythi nigh keeping them honest. looking for facts, not supporting democrats or republicans. our goal is just report, finding out facts and the truth. we did that last week. again, the more we look into it, the more we find people in powerful and influential places saying things that just don't square with the fact. it's about a u.n. treaty that failed to be ratified by the senate. a treaty that was meant to encourage more countries to be more like the u.s. on equal rights of the disabled. if other countries adopted better treatment of their disabled, americans who visited or lived in other countries would also benefit. 125 countries ratified the treaty. it was supported by george bush, signed by the current president, and has support from both sides of the aisle like john mccain and bob dole. he was wheeled onto the senate floor, you can see, for the vote he hoped to see the treaty ratified. instead after pressure from special interest groups, 38 republicans vowin
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russia today has an extremely confrontational stance when it comes to us. well when we talk about going over the fiscal cliff one of the things lawmakers on both sides of the aisle fear most are these massive cuts to the defense budget that would go into effect leaders in washington warn almost on a daily basis that these postpone reductions in defense will hurt national security and lead to another recession but there are some parts of this story that are not being told from uncle and out takes a look. fighter jets patrolling the skies. and well armed battleships sailing the seas the united states has amassed the strongest military force in the world but some in washington believe proposed cuts to the defense department would be devastating defense cuts that i believe would do real damage to our security our troops and their families and our military's ability to protect the nation in this age of austerity u.s. defense secretary leon panetta painted a doomsday scenario it proposed cuts in the military budget go into effect however even if these cuts go thr
russia today has an extremely confrontational stance when it comes to us. well when we talk about going over the fiscal cliff one of the things lawmakers on both sides of the aisle fear most are these massive cuts to the defense budget that would go into effect leaders in washington warn almost on a daily basis that these postpone reductions in defense will hurt national security and lead to another recession but there are some parts of this story that are not being told from uncle and out...
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different than using chemotherapy to achieve those goals. you take out some of the body's immune cells and basically reprogram them. you put genetic material into them that teaches the cells to attack that cancer. what's interesting here is they're using a deadened form of the hiv virus to transport that genetic material into cells. hiv very good to getting to cells. they're putting the genetic material sort of as a piggyback on to the virus. and they're putting the t-cells onto the body and it attacks the cancer. the person oftentimes gets very sick. their immune system gets blown up so it's a long hospitalization, a tough hospitalization, but in her case, as you pointed out, it's quite remarkable. >> what her prognosis and how did the other patients do? >> this is new, and that's what's fun about reporting on this stuff because this is, in part, you know, how medical history is sort of made. what we know is that she's doing very well right now. there aren't many patients who have had this done. i wrote down some of the numbers. they have t
different than using chemotherapy to achieve those goals. you take out some of the body's immune cells and basically reprogram them. you put genetic material into them that teaches the cells to attack that cancer. what's interesting here is they're using a deadened form of the hiv virus to transport that genetic material into cells. hiv very good to getting to cells. they're putting the genetic material sort of as a piggyback on to the virus. and they're putting the t-cells onto the body and it...
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the cia was reluctant to use torture, too. it was the pentagon and also a result the mixed. >> do you fear this becomes the narrative, that people will see this and think, okay, waterboarding got bin laden? >> yeah. i mean, i think that's the bottom line. i don't think that's not the filmmaker's intent, and they have many other scenes in the movie about how the relationship with the foreign intelligence service derived a very important lead, the real name of bin laden's courier house, they tracked down the cell phones he was using and how human spies on the ground in pakistan tracked him to where he was hiding with bin laden and after that. but at the end of the day when somebody pulls something out of a file and it's from foreign intelligence, that's not a inherently dramatic scene as opposed to half an hour of waterboarding and all of the things that happened in the beginning of the film. it's certainly i don't think the filmmaker's intent to make that message but i think people walk away from the film saying, hey, torture g
the cia was reluctant to use torture, too. it was the pentagon and also a result the mixed. >> do you fear this becomes the narrative, that people will see this and think, okay, waterboarding got bin laden? >> yeah. i mean, i think that's the bottom line. i don't think that's not the filmmaker's intent, and they have many other scenes in the movie about how the relationship with the foreign intelligence service derived a very important lead, the real name of bin laden's courier...
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thank you for joining us. >> be sure to watch the news at noon. we're always here for you at ktvu.com. thank you for joining us.
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>>> that's it for us. >>> that's it for us. thanks for watching. "early start" begins now. >>> without warning, a surprise tornado strikes in the middle of a series of severe storms throughout the southeast. >>> plus, secret sabotage. police want to know who's behind the pipe bombs found attached to the gas tank of a large truck. >>> mum's the word on the air force's secret space plan set to blast off today. secret but we have some details. >> we know all about it. >> good that's right. good morning and welcome to "early start," everyone, i'm john berman. >> and i'm zoraida sambolin. tuesday, december 11th, 5:00 a.m. in the east. we begin this morning in the south where more storms are expected today. this after residents are left cleaning up from the aftermath of yesterday's storms. the rain was so intense. take a look at what happened to the home of one man, this is birmingham, alabama as he was being interviewed by a local tv reporter. >> we had dogs. he was in the cage. oh, my god. oh, my god. oh, my god. you all okay? you all okay? you all all
>>> that's it for us. >>> that's it for us. thanks for watching. "early start" begins now. >>> without warning, a surprise tornado strikes in the middle of a series of severe storms throughout the southeast. >>> plus, secret sabotage. police want to know who's behind the pipe bombs found attached to the gas tank of a large truck. >>> mum's the word on the air force's secret space plan set to blast off today. secret but we have some details....
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it costs us lives, people get hurt. but does not cost us in dollars. guest: let me give you a price comparison. it is hard to price these things. the libyan operation, the incremental cost that we invest in people and equipment was about $1 billion for libya. we were in the back position for that. you're providing intelligence, munitions -- that cost about $1 billion for libyan operation. desert storm was a $60 billion enterprise. that was 500,000 soldiers. it took over a year, and you had a huge deployment. somewhere in that range is what we're talking about. if we send 75,000 troops into syria, there are chemical weapons, my guess is $5 billion to $15 billion. it resembles to me what we did in the 1990's. those small operations for $1 billion to $5 billion per year. relatively speaking, there are a lot cheaper than the two wars that peak of 180 billion -- that was a really expensive operation, but we had 250,000 people deployed. host: we're talking about sequestration, what it might mean for the pentagon if it goes through. we're talking about $1.20
it costs us lives, people get hurt. but does not cost us in dollars. guest: let me give you a price comparison. it is hard to price these things. the libyan operation, the incremental cost that we invest in people and equipment was about $1 billion for libya. we were in the back position for that. you're providing intelligence, munitions -- that cost about $1 billion for libyan operation. desert storm was a $60 billion enterprise. that was 500,000 soldiers. it took over a year, and you had a...